Name of church is no longer in lash after first page. However on every page is the name and address and link to a map to church (using mapquest) at the bottom.

Counter is only on first page, it appeared on others temporary as I was implementing SSI. Likewise the UM news feed is on first only now.

Besides menus at top of page (with a link to a submenu for the group names, which is suggested for accessibility reasons), links to all submenus are in text form at bottom of page. So if you could not get graphics site is still useable or for some readers the site will still work

I have added (and still adding alt/title text/summary text for all images, links and tables.

To make more CSS compliant I have move to from for navigation purposes. However I hit two places where I still need to do table as I tried div a number of ways and could not get them to do side by side (maybe a gbgm server problem). I had to use a table to get the navigation bar to center in IE, it worked fine in all the others, and also for the name of church and logo on top of all back pages. In the second situation if I used div I had the name info laying on top the logo and they moved from center to left depending on setting. If you have suggestion on way to implement that works with div I would like.

For the pictures to put a larger image out there you can click on, the smaller will require me going back and editing all the pictures (from original) to get ones in size of 600px and 75dpi (for purposes of space and speed loading as most were originally shot at 6 megapixel. Since I have paid sites to work on also this will be a longer term project but as new pictures added will plan to do for them as easy to do when doing thumbnail. Church has agreed to buy web space so I will have some more to use instead of using my space. They also want to do webcasts ASAP and want that high on list as they like the new web page as is.

The stained glass pictures are real thumbnails and some early slides I scanned and need bigger pictures for the page (to the 250 size and larger for more detail. however I must find the tray of slides at church to rescan them (yes I shot the slides in about 1987 and scanned in 1998) and will do that in a few weeks as I am gone for next few weekends.

I am asking minister for a bio sketch just as I have asked for pictures of him and secretary. Secretary says she will send the pictures.

Links on each page to me are e-mail except on links page where there is to website also.

The church wants the counter on the web page and just like when a professional site is done, this is not my site so not my decisions but the organization whose site it is.

I m also going to work further on flash to not need activating.

Dwight

The menu has some serious problems now. In Firefox (ver 2.0.0.5), it stays in the same location on the screen even when you scroll, making for a STRANGE effect. It could be that you’re working on it right now, but I thought I’d let you know.

I disagree about your comments regarding the minister ranking. As you see if you search for “30401 church” (where this page is now #1 after just a couple days), rankings can come quickly if the content is right. He makes an excellent point about the church not being his, and I certainly appreciate that from a pastor. However, people still want to know about him — at least a little bit. Where did he previously serve? Is he married? With children? Just some tidbits (and a photo) would be nice.

The counter at the bottom really needs to go, but I know that church politics can be tricky. If it’s a big deal to them, then it might not be worth the fight. Still, it’s another outgoing link on every page, further killing your ranking in Google.

The flash is partly to dramatize coming together. I need to add the address at bottom and I am adding that to list to do along with putting text menu across the bottom so that those without ability to use menu at top can wander. Which is reason for having a sub-menu that is called on major parts at top that I have goofed on Contacts and staff. I would like to add picture of minister and other staff on staff page with their names but they have not been easy to get pictures of (and I want him either working at desk or talking with people and secretary working at desk, not head shot). I did not intend it to appear twice on contact page.

The mission is on front page at request of church council when they updated the statement recently.

I plan to use SSI in the site for the menus but I am hosting at GBGM and until they upgraded me to 20 meg last week, SSI would not work. They said it would with the new space but not tried yet.

I was not aware of the problems on links with contacts and staff (and had not noticed the problems with contacts since I revised last month with the new menus).

Pictures are 250 pixels wide which i have had satisfactory comments from people on several other sites I do as they are bigger than most thumbnails which normally I find at about 100 or less pixels. There are not as many pictures in site as I would like but limitations on space at GBGM was major reason. I have moved them to my personal space i buy from a hosting company but primary use of that space is revenue producing for me in other sites I am paid for so. If i go with a 600 pixel pictures then question becomes how many will scroll down to them. Studies i keep seeing say 80% or more of web surfers will not scroll down and even more not sideways. What size are you suggesting i make the photos in picture pages? To me traditional thumbnails are to small for anyone to even figure if they want to click. I have gone with a size of 250 in that I can put 3 across page and they fit in800 width page. Since most people seem to be moving monitors to 1024 setting now i could size them to 333 approximately for same effect. Space they take and download speed is reason for staying away from bigger ones. And also we are in a rural are where there is still a large number of dialup internet and the larger picture the slower download. The other factor on pictures is I have not had time to resize a bunch to use 9and edit in many cases) as I have two other sites I am doing pictures on that I get some reward fro in the short term and not having to wait for the mansion building in heaven and I shot over a thousand pictures for them last two weeks of June and doing that while working more than 40 hours takes time. I used a thumbnail program at one time in past and did not like smallness. I like doing my size much better., Couple years ago I used 200 for width and then moved to 250.

I thought I had tested in Firefox, Opera and Netscape on menu but I am going to go back and check again. I previously had (until about a month ago) menu that was a long list on left and no submenus. I know I tested the other location I use the same menu skeleton in all of those including Safari when Bill released to Windows last month and had to tweak for it.

I agree on needing some pictures and specifics on missions but i have kept hoping that members will get me stuff to fill it.

had not thought about the links in the text, but like idea so on list.

The welcome message many at church including me consider important that we include Jesus somehow in it. We are there to worship God and Jesus . Minister sermon Sunday had a big portion on that the current theme for UMC ha nothing about Jesus or God in the open minds, open hearts open doors. What are we there for?

Getting a good ranking on the minister in search engines i think will always be harder but especially in UMC. With minister change every four years, and If it had not been for a bad family medical situation this year he would have probably been sent to another church in June. He also is of the thinking that there should not be a lot written on him on the site as it is not his church but Christ’s and the members church.

Adding directions in is a good thought.

Interesting that when i did a search on 30401 church just now, this page is at top. In the business at top that Google maps to interesting that 3 churches are listed and when I go to page behind my church is #5 so just missed showing clear at top. But strange that many on the list serv just last week were questioning if Google would do churches as business listings and obviously they have.

The counter is there at request of church. I plan to change to one of others discussed to get more measurements.